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ex-CIA whistleblower: Shadow Government & Deep State

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ex-CIA whistleblower: Shadow Government & Deep State

Excellent video of a ex-CIA officer giving a debriefing (intelligence report,) on the deep state and shadow government that reigns behind the false democracy most of us believe in:

 

 

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Hi @walt and @DavidFindley 

Just before David happened upon the schene there was another poster who was interested in discussing politics on this spiritual forum.  He was pretty much Alt-right and would probably describe the left as brain washed (just like you did in your first post). He would have also described other conservatives as "cucks" if they didn't unsubscribe to Alt-right beliefs.   

 He also bought into conspiracy theories such as PizzaGate.  

I have not watched the entire video posted above, but the first few minutes seem a little "conspiracy theory"ish.

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I notice the disconnect you imply between 'politics' and 'this spiritual forum'.

I suggest you look into Hegel, who successfully unified these two concepts.

may do wonders for your personal evolution.

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On 8/28/2017 at 7:12 AM, Scot said:

Just before David happened upon the schene there was another poster who was interested in discussing politics on this spiritual forum.  He was pretty much Alt-right and would probably describe the left as brain washed (just like you did in your first post). He would have also described other conservatives as "cucks" if they didn't unsubscribe to Alt-right beliefs.    

I have not watched the entire video posted above, but the first few minutes seem a little "conspiracy theory"ish.

Congratulations Teal Tribe--you have arrived!  Have to be on the lookout for CIA infiltrators/disinfo agents.  

Some of them are bots, but not all.  Let me explain what the play is here:

A lot of this Deep State shit is 100% true.  More true than I can completely deal with.  But then the disinfo agent will be vulgar, make obviously FALSE usually inflammatory statements; racist, sexist arguments and try to bait people into debating with him/her.   This accomplishes 2 things:  1) It causes people to also categorize the probably TRUE information and theories as FALSE.  2) It discredits those disseminating the TRUE information; causing you to instantly categorize them as "Alt-Right" and write them off.  

IN FACT; Scot could also be "in" on it.  Probably is.  Disinfo guy #1 Drops some truth then attaches it to a bunch of arguments and ideas most people would find obviously offensive and distasteful.  Disinfo guy #2 argues passionately against all those terrible statements made by #1, labels him as "Alt-right", and plants it in our minds that anyone talking about the Deep State is a violent Alt-Right fascist.  All those buzzwords.  Watch the buzzwords.  

WAKE UP FOLKS.  This is not a dress rehearsal.  Shit is going down.  

(The fact that the CIA and other alphabet agencies train and hire people in this capacity is well-established. They were infiltrating even small environmental groups back in the 70's.   Look it up.)

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On 8/28/2017 at 8:56 PM, DavidFindley said:

I notice the disconnect you imply between 'politics' and 'this spiritual forum'.

I suggest you look into Hegel, who successfully unified these two concepts.

may do wonders for your personal evolution.

Hi David,

I didn't know anything about Hegel so I just went looking for information on him.  I haven't found anything specific on the unification of politics and spirituality.  Of course, I ran across "the Hegelian Dialectic".   Are you saying basically and somewhat figuratively that we need to find balance between politics and spirituality and / or we need to embrace both?

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scot, let me summarize the best of Hegelian theory:  reality exists as a duality of 'nature' and 'spirit'.  nature is the material, spirit the immaterial.

why does 'nature' exist, instead of just pure spirit? (ie, why is there Being instead of just Nothingness..?)  ...well, it turns out that nature is just an outward manifestation of spirit in the process of evolution -- an evolution of self-realization. ie spirit is realizing itself through nature.

The unfolding of this realization, of this evolution, is history.

so we can look to history to see how nature is evolving, how this process of self-realization is manifesting, and we can see where it is going.

and we're here. We, now, at the fringe of the present moment veering forward into the future, are the pinnacle of this evolution of self-realization. That's why we're important as individuals.. we are virtually the godhead itself manifest in unique circumstance, (even if estranged from our own divinity.) ...when we become enlightened, we attain to the self-realization that is the telos of the universe. the universe realizing itself AS itself through the vehicle of an individual human being.

So that's individual enlightenment, right.

but the evolution of the individual through history to this point of enlightenment is fraught with .. dialectic. ups and downs in chaos that shake everything up and expand into infinity. ...though one of the most important circumstances the individual finds himself in is the State (and culture.) The early, in-enlightened individual's being and identity is tied up with it to an insane degree.

so... how do we unify spirituality with politics in his respect? ... we simply evaluate the State in terms of it's telos (or purpose..) ..that is, the State's ultimate role and function should be to further the evolutionary processes of the universe ... which means to bring individual Man (as a vehicle of spirit,) to a state of enlightened harmony.

 

 

...hallicounogenic.. Ive seen that. thanks for posting it.

 

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wow Favorite, you are so insanely uneducated, and miseducated, you illustrate one of the best reasons why I am so happy to leave the US.

 

OK, first of all, Hegel had nothing to do with Communism or any idea leading thereto. Marx, the father of communism, corrupted central Hegelian tenets and manipulated them to his own ends. Marx was a filthy jew agent of the banksters whose mission was to develop a destructive socio-political theory that the jews could use to destabilize, or threaten to destabilize, any country. (first by funding communist revolutionaries, second by pushing it through their writers and mass media under their control.) I seriously suggest you look into this for yourself.

 

Second of all, YES, Hegel WAS precursor to Fascist ideology. ...but what do you know of Fascism? ...What is the ONE thing you have been absolutely brainwashed against your whole life ... without any understanding? Fascism. Even the dictionary definition of Fascism is anti-Fascist Propaganda.

...you and everybody are victims of war propaganda in this regard that has persisted since WWII.

ask yourself... what does Fascism MEAN to you?  ...just totalitarianism? ..? anything else? ...any reason why people would subscribe and fight for this evil political system? 

Youll have to take the red pill on this one.

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oh, I may have sounded harsh in my criticism, but I don't think you should take it so personally. It's pretty universal for westerners.

I mean... I studied philosophy in college.. I actually studied hegel, marx, their tradition of philosophy.. I actually read Das Kapital, at least the first volume, for example. I am also familiar with Giovanni Gentile, the neo-Hegelian who actually founded Fascism philosophically 100+ years after Hegel.

...interesting things become clear when you study and do research. .... like for example that Marx never, once, discussed the international banking and financial system that was taking over Europe, (HAD taken over Europe,) by his time. complete omission. despite the fact that many took his Das Kapital as a treatise of economic history and critique of contemporary circumstances. he was truly an evil mother fucker.

 

but look, you didn't mention Gentile and you stick to this claim that hegel created fascism, which he really did not -- even if his principles later lent themselves to that direction. ...so really you're clueless, ok. you have to admit that to yourself.

 

OK first of all look at a fascist flag. It is of a bundle of sticks, fascia, bound together as one as the backbone of an axe. because one stick is weak, but many together are strong. The sticks, the fascia, are THE PEOPLE. Fascism is THE PEOPLES' PARTY, first and foremost. Yes, the collective carries emphasis over the individual, but this is philosophically, I mean even metaphysically and spiritually, very sound and necessary. ...but does that mean that it is a totalitarian state that reduces the individual to virtual slavery? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The reason why Fascism isn't a democratic system is that by the turn of the 20th century democratic institutions across Europe had proven themselves utterly corrupt and dominated by the interests of the International banking and financial system, (ie the jewish mafia.) everyone knew this. so-called democracy was false democracy heralded by the elite capitalists wresting for themselves total power. just like contemporary USA.

..so for the fascists, the Nazis, the PEOPLES party had to take complete control over government, AND business-corporate entities. (just like in China today. the government doesn't own all businesses per se, but they dictate terms when they have to. the PEOPLES' party controls industry and the general economy, NOT the other way around.)

in fact China today is a perfect model of a Fascist state. which is why I live here with pride.

Fascism imo is the next stage for the real American, who believed in a government OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE, ... and not  the jew-s-a for isreal today.

....the thing about fascism is you actually need a cohesive body of people to bind together as one to effect change, and control, over government institutions. ...imo this is why the US has been flooded with immigration, split and divided in as many ways as possible. The PEOPLE, and ONLY the PEOPLE can only ever threaten the status quo of corrupt elite. .....so divide and conquer... destroy the people and you can take control over the military, their currency, whatever and totally run the country into the ground.

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1 hour ago, DavidFindley said:

oh, I may have sounded harsh in my criticism,

David, you do come across as rather harsh.  I think your harshness could be a barrier to communication.

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but look, you didn't mention Gentile and you stick to this claim that hegel created fascism, which he really did not -- even if his principles later lent themselves to that direction. ...so really you're clueless, ok. you have to admit that to yourself.

Really?  Did you have to use the word clueless?  I have known Adam for a while now and there is absolutely no way he is going to admit to being "clueless".

Me personally, I studied I tiny bit of philosophy in university but only three courses.  Although, I will admit to not being knowledgeable at all in the area, I would find the word "ignorant" to be somewhat insulting and the word "clueless" to be quite insulting.    

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exactly. you, along with most westerners, are subject to crippling bias and disinformation, a perpetuation of WWII war propaganda .

you cannot think clearly or straight on the matter. You do not have any understanding of 19th century, 20th century political history to understand what's going on.

your so-called 'individual liberties' in the US are exactly your undoing. I don't even know what 'rights' are good for when you are brainwashed anyways.

The US is crashing. economically, socially and politically, culturally -- it is crashing in every way possible. It will be a virtual 3rd world before 2100. You can keep your false democracy and your false 'liberties' all day long, but I'm out.

 

China is in a post-communist era, and they have adopted a Fascist, National Socialist policy. Since Deng Xiaoping, China has been on a steep rise and will continue to charge forward in development. Sure, they may have Fascist policies like the 1-child policy, or they may own their own banks, control the media, and dictate terms to industry, even put down anti-government organizations like falun dafa or islam ... ... it is all for the best.

 

You should visit China. 50 years ago there was massive starvation in the streets -- see what it has already become since then. all thanks to fascism. see what it will become in another 50 years.

 

..and if it wasn't for their fascism, had they adopted a western-styled pseudo-democratic system bitch to the masters of international finance... then it would look instead like a fucking Africa, or at best another India.

 

We are on the verge of seeing the US deteriorate to shit, and China is surpassing. It is happening now, so it is not entirely obvious. give it another 20-30 years. you will see.

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they aren't 'communists' that infiltrated the government. They're pawns of the elite bankers and international financiers -- the ones who INVENTED communism as a weaponized political theory to destroy nations. Nobody in government is genuinely communist.   ....except maybe Obama, ... he was a great tool of destruction, wasn't he ...

 

look, the democratic republic was thought of as 'the grand experiment' of the 19th century. they called it that because they weren't sure how it would work out. ...100 years later, we know: It doesn't work. so back at the turn of the 20th century, the PEOPLE of  Germany and Italy turned to Fascism, to correct the mistakes.

If you have to ask why (false) civil liberties are the very undoing of a 'free' society, you need to read THE PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION. ...I know that means actually READING something... but people usually don't regret putting the time in on this one o-o;;

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6 hours ago, You'reMyFavorite said:

 

Why are individual rights, personal freedom, and liberty bad for society? 

 

If you believe in these things then why did you turn up your nose when I wrote "don't let anyone take away your rights as a person" ? it was in a discussion of gender equality.

 You also posted about how feminism ruined women's good looks.  individual right and personal freedom includes the right to dress the way you want.  However, If you want to work in, say, an investment bank, a face tattoo might not be acceptable.

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