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Jesus and the "God" of Israel

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I am very interested in the complete story of Jesus. Teal mentions that Jesus came here as a response for a collective request for spiritual orientation, has pleiadien heritage, got socialised in India and other countries between 12 and 30 and came back to Judäa to teach buddhistic wisdom!? He was able to do all these wonderful things because he was in total alignment with his higher self and/or God (the isness)!? This makes total sense to me so far.

What I still have no clue about are the circumstances of his death and his resurrection. Did he die at the cross, how could he if he always was in alignment? Did he die voluntarily for a spiritual reason? I mean is there an element of truth in the concept of substitutional atonement or is this complete BS introduced later to suppress and distract people?  What about the ressurection thing and his ascension? Did he came back in physical form (4d/5d being) after his death? Scripture tells the woman in the garden should not touch him, but later he allowed Thomas to touch his hands and feel his marks. That's at least what scriptures tell us. What's the complete and non-distorted story?

And who was the "God" of Israel that led the Jews out of Egypt and made them slaughter so many people in Jericho, Canaan and who knows where else? Was this some Annunaki left behind here on earth playing God (Arthur C. Clarke: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from divinity") ? What was the purpose of all this? Did Moses steal some important equipment out of the pyramid that allowed the Egyptians to have electrical power? 

Any insights are greatly appreciated!!

Thanks a lot!!

Best wishes,

 Andreas

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Jesus wasn't the only person who could do all the thing he did, he's just famous from his death. this knowledge is in everyone because everything comes from the inside out. it was probably a lot easier back then because they didn't have TV and shitty food to dumb them down, religion probably did that. any bible is outside in, its a translation and not accurate. you're in this body, you're not this body, you are source and everything and there are no laws here, the beliefs create the laws because everything comes from inside out, this is all an illusion so you can do all these crazy things if you believe it. he was source perspective, the "truth" in the flesh because people asked for it. now people really thing he's the god, but everyone is god and people still put him on a pedestal, that was never his intention.

2 hours ago, Andreas H. said:

Did he die at the cross, how could he if he always was in alignment?

the idea of total bliss isn't real, his awareness was at a level where he could do what he did, but when you walk on water and do all these crazy things its going to come with resistance. imagine you have a friend who can do that, we fantasize it and make it seem like what if, but some people can actually do that right now at this time. he decided to show everyone and it got him killed, just like they killed witch's back in the day. The collective consciousness doesn't believe this is possible, but it is and it isn't demons or witch craft, its just possible.

2 hours ago, Andreas H. said:

Did he came back in physical form (4d/5d being) after his death?

yeah, he's a guide now because people feed that thought form/blue print. lets say 5d or 6d is a computer screen and you printing out a paper is the physical body, that blue print still exists, you just have to raise up to 5d or 6d to connect with that blue print. he could come back in 3d if someone focused and believed that much.

2 hours ago, Andreas H. said:

And who was the "God" of Israel that led the Jews out of Egypt and made them slaughter so many people in Jericho, Canaan and who knows where else? Was this some Annunaki left behind here on earth playing God (Arthur C. Clarke: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from divinity") ? What was the purpose of all this? Did Moses steal some important equipment out of the pyramid that allowed the Egyptians to have electrical power? 

no idea, I don't know that story, Egypt was after Atlantis and before that was lemuria when people could move stuff with their mind and do crazy things. now we forgot all of that lol.

this guy has some of those abilities

 

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When people learn how to let go of resistance, they will discover how divine they actually are. 

I recently got a message from the universe that I would like to share and it's about Jesus.  

(when I say 'we', I mean all of Humanity, it's just easier for me to translate the message)

o we are at the surface of the breakthrough in the next advancement of human consciousness

o we are all Jesus; the second coming of Christ is when a large enough population of humanity realizes that we are all one (when a large enough of humanity advances in consciousness it will basically expedite the process and it will all happen at once)

o it was also noted in a metaphor that it's like coming up for a breath of fresh air after diving deep or coming up from a great depth of water with an unusually long inhale; we are at the surface but there is still too much of humanity resisting for us to break through the surface of the water

o the resistance comes from fear of giving into an "imagination" that may not be real; life is the illusion, not imagination --- there is no before or after, there is only a now

o the secret to life is experiencing new emotions, new experiences to put in your "celestial toolbag" if you will, societies psychology is a lie, it demands that there are only a handful of emotions and this is so far from the truth

okay, I'm going to stop there because some of it is going to be redundant or things that the common person in this community already understand , except it was also made clear that people need to say the words "I Love you" more, something I have felt seperate from all of this is that we need to get the phrase "bye" or "good bye" out of our vocabulary and that has something to do with training your subconscious that we are not separate from that person that we said "bye" to. I actually have always one to not say those words and I don't know why, it just always sounded too permanent which now makes sense. 

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Sometimes we just have to accept we don't know anything.

We don't know anything about Jesus... time to accept it. NOTHING we have written about him is even remotely reliable in even the most basic ways. This is just how it is and it is indisputable. But people still obsess over the Jesus figure because of religious conditioning. I have to say the emphasis just baffles me. There is no complete, non-distorted story about Jesus. The scripture contradicts itself wildly. It is not reliable and simply never was.

I don't know anything about him (just like everyone else) but if he were truly wise then I know for certain he would not want people obsessing over his image like they do. Aren't there more relevant things to be focusing on... ?

As for Moses; again, who knows? This story is a bit less controversial because there are at least some "originals". But it is pointless to try and hammer out exact details. Unlike the Jesus story, however, we have no idea when Moses' life was meant to have occurred. Based on the age of the originals we could be looking at stuff tens of thousands years old or more... pre-dating our modern concepts of Egypt, Israel, Canaan, etc.

Many Annunaki seemed to have played god. We know so little about them, except that their personalities were anything but "divine"... which makes it all the more baffling that people still cling to the Bible as a message about divinity.

And now I'll just wait for the whole "but there's elements of truth!" fallacy to rear itself... 3... 2...

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Thanks a lot for all your inspiring responses. I can accept that we don’t know anything but I still want to know as much as I possibly can for the sake of rising consciousness. The Jesus figure is of special interest to me since one billion people on planet earth are somehow influenced by his teachings, at least what is left of them after multiple translations and deliberate tempering conducted by churches and political leaders. 
I see people around me being stuck in their spiritual state, blindly following distorted teachings without any sign of reflection.

I somewhere read: “If we truly consider human behaviour without prejudice we are astonished to which extent superstition can reach and we are uncertain what to admire most, the blindness of the people or the shameless temerity of those who fool them!”

I at least believe that my ability to discern (alien) disinformation (making use of a term here Thomas Minderle uses a lot on his site www.montalk.net) improved over the years. When I hear something from someone in my social environment that makes my BS meter light up I am tempted to speak out and correct or let’s say expand the perspective of my next in order to raise the overall consciousness. To do so (being convincing) I need more than just “we know nothing for sure”. Many people are so full of fear that they can’t or don’t want to live without an easy to grasp clear guidance. They unfortunately often prefer simplicity and security over truth and adopt distorted teachings easily without raising questions. I have seen this at university (physics) as well! :-(

I heard a guy recently say: “A true scientists holds every proposition with a light grasp ready to surrender it upon encountering new evidence or better arguments!”. I love this. It’s actually why I follow Teal Swan and post to this forum, to encounter new evidence and better arguments. And I silently hope Teal has some insights (convincing perspective) she might want to share that fill one gap or another in my/our understanding!?

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29 minutes ago, Andreas H. said:

Thanks a lot for all your inspiring responses. I can accept that we don’t know anything but I still want to know as much as I possibly can for the sake of rising consciousness. The Jesus figure is of special interest to me since one billion people on planet earth are somehow influenced by his teachings, at least what is left of them after multiple translations and deliberate tempering conducted by churches and political leaders. 
I see people around me being stuck in their spiritual state, blindly following distorted teachings without any sign of reflection.

I somewhere read: “If we truly consider human behaviour without prejudice we are astonished to which extent superstition can reach and we are uncertain what to admire most, the blindness of the people or the shameless temerity of those who fool them!”

I at least believe that my ability to discern (alien) disinformation (making use of a term here Thomas Minderle uses a lot on his site www.montalk.net) improved over the years. When I hear something from someone in my social environment that makes my BS meter light up I am tempted to speak out and correct or let’s say expand the perspective of my next in order to raise the overall consciousness. To do so (being convincing) I need more than just “we know nothing for sure”. Many people are so full of fear that they can’t or don’t want to live without an easy to grasp clear guidance. They unfortunately often prefer simplicity and security over truth and adopt distorted teachings easily without raising questions. I have seen this at university (physics) as well! :-(

I heard a guy recently say: “A true scientists holds every proposition with a light grasp ready to surrender it upon encountering new evidence or better arguments!”. I love this. It’s actually why I follow Teal Swan and post to this forum, to encounter new evidence and better arguments. And I silently hope Teal has some insights (convincing perspective) she might want to share that fill one gap or another in my/our understanding!?

Very good reasoning process and I totally relate about being able to discern disinformation very easily. It is a new ability for me and I am still finding it very challenging to integrate into an already.

Unfortunately the science in this area, whilst fascinating, is always going to be very loose, unless something very huge were to enter the equation. If I thought there was any scientific way to obtain accurate information about Jesus, I'd be interested to hear and talk about it. But, quite simply, no such methodology exists. The evidence we have is all we have, and we can't bank on finding more. There is nowhere to go to find more information, this is it. So, it really is accurate and appropriate to say "we know nothing" about the subject of Jesus as a real person as opposed to a mythological figure., and probably never will.

I think the Bible is very fascinating but only in the context of anthropology, in which its iconic status is undeniable. However I think people need to take a huge step back from it because it's really not a reliable source of anything and this is very very measurable and provable. People think "elements of truth" or "deep symbolism" is enough to assign value, but these paths are pretty much dead ends full of nothing but sentiment. Even faeces has elements of food in it but that doesn't mean I'm going to eat it. I'm going to find something that is actual food instead.

Wow I made an edit and it copied the whole thread in my post. WTF. Huge lol.

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We are told at a very young age that imagination is not real and so we give into this time and space illusion, when all reality is NOW! There is no before or after, there is only a now, people don't want to believe that we can create our own reality when there is only a now and in this now moment the universe is yours, make it yours, use your God given gift of imagination and dream up the best life you could  possibly have ever wanted. Just let go of the resistance and it is all yours for the taking, everything!

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20 hours ago, Kroge said:

Very good reasoning process and I totally relate about being able to discern disinformation very easily. It is a new ability for me and I am still finding it very challenging to integrate into an already.

Unfortunately the science in this area, whilst fascinating, is always going to be very loose, unless something very huge were to enter the equation. If I thought there was any scientific way to obtain accurate information about Jesus, I'd be interested to hear and talk about it. But, quite simply, no such methodology exists. The evidence we have is all we have, and we can't bank on finding more. There is nowhere to go to find more information, this is it. So, it really is accurate and appropriate to say "we know nothing" about the subject of Jesus as a real person as opposed to a mythological figure., and probably never will.

I think the Bible is very fascinating but only in the context of anthropology, in which its iconic status is undeniable. However I think people need to take a huge step back from it because it's really not a reliable source of anything and this is very very measurable and provable. People think "elements of truth" or "deep symbolism" is enough to assign value, but these paths are pretty much dead ends full of nothing but sentiment. Even faeces has elements of food in it but that doesn't mean I'm going to eat it. I'm going to find something that is actual food instead.

I totally agree that we probably will never see additional evidence regarding the Jesus figure due to applying scientific standard methods. But standard methods also don't allow for telekinesis or extra-sensory perception. That's where Teal might come into play by accessing the Akasha Chronic or whatever to retrieve additional info!? The time of gurus and churches is obviously over (self-empowerment, self-responsibility,...). But specific capabilities are still not yet developed in everyone. I at least have no access to a thing they call Akasha chronic yet. But logical thinking combined with intuition allows me to decide for myself whether something seen/read by someone else with extra-sensory perception is valid (resonates in me) or not. And this additional info would then expand my own consciousness and understanding and help me to help others asking related questions to get up to speed. 

This is an official request for Teal to elaborate on the Jesus figure, the God of Israel (Annunaki or what) and the "Gods of Eden" in one of her "Ask Teal" episodes. I would be all ears and very thankful for additional insights. Thanks!!

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Teal doesn't like talking about ET's too much because it's not what her purpose is about and it doesn't help her to reach or help people who need it. She's said this very clearly, and it's also obvious from most of the topics of her videos. The most I've seen her talk about ET's (mostly in the context of Starseeds) is in an interview which I'll link to. I have no doubt she would have some absolutely fascinating insights into the topic (which is badly needed), but right now she doesn't want to focus on it.  There's probably many others who have some kind of insight into the subject, although most of the stuff I've heard is unverifiable and wildly inconsistent, and sometimes directly contradicts solid evidences. But also keep in mind that even the best psychic information is not clear, it is as much subject to distortion and half-truths as any other interpretive information. Teal herself says this as well. And I've also noticed that even ET's who are supposedly being directly channelled are very censored with the information they give out. They seem to be very manipulative with the information they give, presumably because they know that too much information can be very destructive for humans as we are at this time. So even ET's seem to be fine with mixing verifiable truths with outright lies.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6HOkVGAV8M

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From what I heard at this ashram I lived in was that Jesus ate the worlds karma on the cross. That's where the whole dying for our sins thing came from. 

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For me the true teachings of Jesus have been distorted by the early church and even more perverted by many who all themselves "Christian"today.  I believe that some of the best teachings of Christ were never allowed in the Bible as it centered on self awareness.  When one becomes self aware you can not control the person, their mind or spirit.  This was not the mission of the early church as for them it was to gain as many converts resulting in the true teachings of Jesus to be lost and or bastardized  by the church.  All of which led me to this post so that I can find my way back to be in harmony w/ the world and universe. 

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16 hours ago, Rain 369 said:

For me the true teachings of Jesus have been distorted by the early church and even more perverted by many who all themselves "Christian"today.  I believe that some of the best teachings of Christ were never allowed in the Bible as it centered on self awareness.  When one becomes self aware you can not control the person, their mind or spirit.  This was not the mission of the early church as for them it was to gain as many converts resulting in the true teachings of Jesus to be lost and or bastardized  by the church.  All of which led me to this post so that I can find my way back to be in harmony w/ the world and universe. 

 

Lovely! 

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On 9/29/2016 at 0:51 PM, Kroge said:

Teal doesn't like talking about ET's too much because it's not what her purpose is about and it doesn't help her to reach or help people who need it. She's said this very clearly, and it's also obvious from most of the topics of her videos. The most I've seen her talk about ET's (mostly in the context of Starseeds) is in an interview which I'll link to.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6HOkVGAV8M

Thanks a lot for this link. I watched the interview thoroughly and could extract a bunch of hints regarding extraterrestrial influence. She also mentioned that Jesus was a Pliedien which I previously learned from another video of hers, nothing about the "God of Israel" though or anything about the "eating karma" concept by Jesus dying on the cross!?

However, I totally see her point of being reluctant to share too much of all this stuff. Jesus is reported to have said: "I have much more to tell but your aren't ready for it!". Teal goes like this: "There are a great many humans that are ready for this and a great many humans that aren't!". That's at least some progress in 2000 years?  :-)

Whatever, I have just watched this very recent interview of hers

which took my breath (still processing the info). Guys, let's desire positive outcome with all the energy we can mobilise ...

All the best!!

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There's a lot of information out there but here is what I've been able to discern from all of it: most of the "dick" gods mentioned in the Bible were referring to Enlil. So the Moses figure would have been a follower (or a tool) of Enlil... possibly.

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