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Anti-Psychotics

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Quite interested to know if there are any opinions in the spiritual community about anti-psychotic medication. I was taking 12.5mg of olanzapine for quite a while and I was concerned that it was making me feel really bad. I expressed my concern to my doctor, I said I thought they were making me more suicidal. The doctor said "You think your medication is making you suicidal?" In such a horrible way that I couldn't reply, I was going to explain that about an hour after I take my medication I feel worse but I couldn't say anything, made me feel so crap. So for the last 3 months ish, without bothering to talk to my doctors about it, I've been taking only 2.5mg and recently I've been taking none at all. I felt better as soon as I stopped taking it, had no psychotic symptoms for over a year and hopefully it's all behind me. I figured if I told my doctors I was gonna meditate, sun gaze, go on a raw food diet and connect with myself and others instead of take medication, they probably would of increased my dosage. I'm sure antipsychotics work for some people and maybe they even helped me at a point in my life but I don't know. Anyone know anything? Rant kinda irrelevant but I've never told anyone how crap that doctor made me feel and recently I've just been trying to share so here I go! Many thanks to anyone who replies or even just takes the time to read this, thank you. You are divine and perfect, thank you.

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Thank you for your post. IMO, it's pretty obvious that the meds you speak of treat only the symptoms and NOT THE CAUSE of the problem. I'm no expert except for my own experience and research. While they may have worked short-term for me, the whole system and doctors' attitudes towards them appalled me. Luckily, I managed to escape taking them for "bi-polar" and am now just taking really good care of myself health-wise and seem to be doing just fine. The seed supplement I wrote about has worked wonders for me as well. The oils contained in these whole-crushed seed are what the brain needs to function optimally. I wish you the best, and perhaps check out the following video...

 

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Food contributes to people feeling certain types of ways because of the different types of chemicals that react with your body. Most food now a days are just chemicals formed to make a "food like product" you might be sensitive to a certain chemical. Another thing is that its just emotional issues that can personally be resolved but more then likely if you ask your average grown up they would say something is wrong with you because they might not understand emotional problems and your doctor since he is not an expert on emotions, well he will just prescribe you something that he has been taught to prescribe people with those types of emotional problems. I would not blame either one for not knowing a better solution since they were not brought up to understand emotions.

33 minutes ago, Pepi said:

 I figured if I told my doctors I was gonna meditate, sun gaze, go on a raw food diet and connect with myself and others instead of take medication, they probably would of increased my dosage. 

lol I found this funny because its true! Most people find this still as Taboo since this is something that does not has a lot of scientific evidence to back it up but mostly just personal experiences. Haven't Sun gazed much but I'm sure there is defiantly some benefits to it since I have had many experiences with other things in life that are true to me.

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Hi Pepi. :) Welcome. 

To be fair, I can't comment directly on anti-psychotics, but I've had doctors try to farm me out to pain management instead of listen to me, so I felt compelled to comment on that part, at least. It takes remarkable fortitude to tell a doctor, 'no thanks,' and go with your soul, which you've obviously done. Again, I can't advise someone to ditch a form of treatment if it's not safe, but nutrition in and of itself, is such a cornerstone of mental health, it's ludicrous to me that doctors don't lead with the topic. It's my belief that if people were able to really 'feel' their own bodies for probably the first time ever, giving up the chemical coat of refined sugars, saturated fats, and meats (which rob the body of so much energy due to decomposition etc, regardless of belief), they would hit not only a physical detox but an emotional self-destruct without that shield of dead energy. I super commend you for your bravery. 

I had chronic inflammation of the foot and ankle years ago, and eventually wasn't able to walk. This was due to an extremely low vibrational state, and a victim mentality. After several x-rays and scans revealed no injuries, and my blood work came back normal, I was directed to pain management. My doctor wanted me to mute out the pain with tramadol, and other meds, try injections into my spinal cord, and basically just subscribe to the fact that my functional life was over. 

I chose instead intensely painful but remarkable physical therapy for my atrophied leg called 'A-Stem,' and to turn to nutrition as a healer. Less than 2 years later, after a diagnosis of 'you'll never walk with full weight or up stairs again, and you'll have to be on pain meds for the rest of your life,' I was not only walking again, but feeling better than ever, juicing with regenerative foods, focusing on the restorative practices. 

32 minutes ago, Pepi said:

I figured if I told my doctors I was gonna meditate, sun gaze, go on a raw food diet and connect with myself and others instead of take medication, they probably would of increased my dosage.

I worked in a cardiologists' office for 4 months, and I figured if I told the doctors that pizza every day for lunch was bad for the arteries that I'd get fired. There's such a double standard in medicine sometimes, it gets crazy. I'm glad I'd had that experience because it enticed me to realize that the only person that gets to dictate what my reality is, is me. And, if meditating, sun gazing, and eating raw veggies is your alternative to a prescription - especially if they're not willing to refer you to a nutritionist or holistic specialist (they can do that), then there's an impasse. I know felt a little crazy arguing to try physical therapy and nutrition over drugs that only muted the pain and didn't even attempt to treat the issue first. My pain management doctor was just... confused that I didn't want to stop the pain. But I didn't want to mask it, I wanted him to be able to assess it fully, tell me what it 'looked' like, how it behaved symptomatically. Get to the bottom of the issue and help me come up with a plan to heal. I obviously didn't have a concept of what 'pain management' meant.  He had never even considered the idea that the pain wasn't the main focal point to me. Getting to the core of the issue was my goal. He just couldn't grasp the idea of solving the problem without the concept of stopping the pain first. It's like the idea of an actual solution before medicating was a foreign country. It scared the living hell out of me, that approach. 

Your case is different than mine was, but if I'm watching a TED talk on the web, and I want to hear what the speaker is saying, would I turn the volume all the way down, and then try to figure out the dialogue? It's the same damn thing with diagnosing physical, mental or emotional pain. If I'm muted, how can they hear what the hell's going on with me? And especially when I'm not a clear enough of a channel to communicate to them?

Hope I didn't rant too much myself. But I'm really passionate about the subject of using meds as a knee-jerk reaction to treat anything before even attempting to address home life, nutrition, and even physical or spiritual activity. It's like having a mechanic gauge the issue with my car based on its make and model without ever even checking under the hood. 

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3 hours ago, Eric said:

lol I found this funny because its true! Most people find this still as Taboo since this is something that does not has a lot of scientific evidence to back it up but mostly just personal experiences. Haven't Sun gazed much but I'm sure there is defiantly some benefits to it

I really reccommend you try sun gazing, the first time I did it for just 20 or 30 minutes and felt so much better, my thinking was a lot clearer and on the way home I had a bunch of insights and epiphanies.

2 hours ago, Stephanie Wintermute said:

Hope I didn't rant too much myself.

I have very much enjoyed hearing everything you have had to say, so much so that I'm not sure what to say about it. Thank you so much for sharing :) Seems our cases were very different but in essence we did a similar thing, maybe we can inspire people to not cover up their pain and to listen to themselves. Who knows ^^

3 hours ago, Aristotle said:

am now just taking really good care of myself health-wise and seem to be doing just fine.

 

Glad you're taking good care of yourself and thank you so much for linking that video, it was incredibly eye opening.

 

Oh my goodness, thank you guys for commenting I didn't expect such a response and so quickly. I almost cried I'm so happy to be speaking to you all.

This is my first post and already you've given me some serious confidence in this community, I feel like it's a safe space where anyone can share anything and people will look out for you and have your best interests at heart.

I think this may be the beginning of something beautiful? :D

Much love to all <3

 

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15 minutes ago, Pepi said:

I have very much enjoyed hearing everything you have had to say, so much so that I'm not sure what to say about it. Thank you so much for sharing :) Seems our cases were very different but in essence we did a similar thing, maybe we can inspire people to not cover up their pain and to listen to themselves. Who knows ^^

Aw, that's awesome. Always happy to emote, and I've had a life that has waited for so long to be heard. ;) The idea of inspiring people to not only refrain from hiding or coating their pain (like I have along my own journey) to hear their own heartbeat and mind sounds like a damn fine thing for us to inspire people to do. There's eventually nothing like it, once the momentum gets going. Great talk. :) So happy you're here, @Pepi.

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I think you're doing great for yourself and you should continue. This is what works for you, this is what has healed and re-integrated you, and your ailment is a thing of the past. Well done! You've managed to do what so many have not.

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Hi,

I have no experience with anti-psychotics, but they tried to convince me several times to take neuroleptics and my system - which already had started the awakening transformation by then - reacted really severely with immobilization, i couldnt move for hours until the effect faded, and i had similar experiences with other medication. the effect was too, that i felt cut off from guidance and from feeling the presence of friends in the vicinity (regular human friends).

an other friend had taken that same medication and to her it was a relief in that moment, her body didnt react as severely, and it helped her relieve some panic symptoms but only temporarily.

i guess whether something is helpful depends on what is the right thing in that moment individually, and it is really important to discern how you feel about it. if it feels good, take it, if it doesnt, leave it. even with homeopathic remedies its the same principle, i found out that the hard way. whatever someone offers you, they may believe in their belief-system, that this is the thing that saves people, but the decision to take it is yours. for building that sort of discernment, it is essential to build a relationship of trust with yourself and your emotions.

it really doesnt matter if the doctors understand what they are doing, as long as you can find out what is in your highest good.  yes it is sad that things like that happen on a daily basis and yes it can be changed, and the change begins with each individual taking responsibility for itself. and yes it feels really awful to have a doctor, someone who is supposed to help, convince you to do something youre not sure about benefitting you, and yes that can change too by trusting your intuition and that awful feeling guiding you towards what is wanted.  sometimes it will go hand in hand with trial and error, but afterwards you know what is best for you. you tried it, it didnt feel good, find other ways to integrate. the diet changes and meditation sounds like really healthy ways to me!

i wish you the best!

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